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| 01:48:41 | <flashfire42> | https://app.box.com/s/6b9wmjvr582c95uzma1136exumk6p989/folder/135953042066 we should probably keep an eye on this |
| 01:51:26 | <@OrIdow6> | flashfire42: Are those documents involved in the Apple lawsuit? |
| 01:51:33 | <flashfire42> | yes |
| 01:51:53 | <flashfire42> | came from https://www.ign.com/articles/epic-vs-apple-shows-the-courts-were-not-prepared-for-the-games-industrys-obsessive-secrecy |
| 01:51:59 | <flashfire42> | tried archivebot and it didnt work |
| 01:59:55 | <@JAA> | Yup, Box is JS crap. I'm not aware of any good way to archive it. |
| 01:59:58 | <@OrIdow6> | Yeah, that's way too JS-heavy |
| 02:00:06 | <@OrIdow6> | Ther'es a download button that compiles it into a ZIP |
| 02:00:31 | <@OrIdow6> | Obviously not going to work in the WBM |
| 02:21:59 | <mgrandi> | Reuters is now on the naughty list apparently: https://twitter.com/felixsalmon/status/1389649958895333380 |
| 02:33:57 | <thuban> | in re giantbomb discussion: the same late-2020 acquisition (viacomcbs selling cnet media group to red ventures) put gamefaqs under new ownership; it has been suggested on the subreddit that the boards may be in danger |
| 02:34:20 | <thuban> | (op says "The website was bought by a new company recently and they have said that most of the people who visit the site these days just wanna look at the faqs and the message boards are not visited much anymore..." but doesn't provide a source, zero points) |
| 02:35:32 | <thuban> | eyeballing the front page suggests several million topics, let alone pages, so probably not an archivebot job, but maybe worth looking into |
| 02:37:06 | <Jack_Thompson> | Would be pretty devastating to lose GameFAQs imo |
| 02:37:11 | <Jack_Thompson> | A lot of gaming history there |
| 02:41:34 | <Krownest> | Moved from doing everything manually to docker. |
| 02:44:24 | <mgrandi> | We can start a project for each, all it takes is one person to create a url list honestly |
| 02:45:38 | <@JAA> | thuban: 80 million topic IDs, post IDs are approaching a billion. |
| 02:46:54 | <@JAA> | Definitely no AB matter, obviously. |
| 02:47:16 | <@arkiver> | reuters losing it |
| 02:47:31 | <@arkiver> | JAA: nice, could do a tiny project |
| 02:48:04 | <mgrandi> | So on the reuters thing , they might have just been migrating stuff |
| 02:48:06 | <mgrandi> | https://twitter.com/felixsalmon/status/1389672394353258498 |
| 02:50:37 | <mgrandi> | But is giant bomb owned by the same parent company as gamefaqs? |
| 02:52:29 | <thuban> | mgrandi: yes, they were both part of viacomcbs |
| 02:55:55 | <thuban> | JAA: ids look sequential, but (a) board urls appear to require a name slug and (b) while i suspect thread ids are unique sitewide, thread urls appear to require the board id/name |
| 02:56:57 | <@JAA> | Yep, I found the same thing. Looking for a URL that just uses the topic ID, but haven't seen anything yet. |
| 02:57:15 | <thuban> | that and their 'one board for every single game, browse by system' would make enumeration doable but nontrivial |
| 03:00:46 | <thuban> | (oh, and the non-game boards have equally bespoke categorization and listing) |
| 03:03:32 | <mgrandi> | Do they require a name slug? |
| 03:03:37 | <mgrandi> | Those are usually optional |
| 03:04:10 | <thuban> | the boards? looks like, yes (unless there is a secret alternate url scheme) |
| 03:04:25 | <@JAA> | Nope, slug is optional: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/234547-/79440096 |
| 03:04:29 | <@JAA> | But you need the ID. |
| 03:04:57 | <thuban> | oh! i was fooled because i didn't leave the _trailing hyphen_ |
| 03:06:18 | <mgrandi> | Cool |
| 03:06:34 | <mgrandi> | Although one might want the full slug since that's what people would want |
| 03:06:45 | <mgrandi> | Maybe doing a header only request for that url will return the full url? |
| 03:07:39 | <thuban> | nope |
| 03:08:50 | <thuban> | the thread and (more importantly) pagination links all include the slug, though, so it would be easily had |
| 03:09:28 | <@JAA> | We're obviously not going to bruteforce 300k board IDs times 80M topic IDs. |
| 03:09:58 | <thuban> | no, of course not |
| 03:11:14 | <@JAA> | But we could use it to bruteforce the boards without having to traverse their games list etc. |
| 03:11:46 | <thuban> | right right, and if necessary (seems likely) use them to spider topics |
| 03:12:00 | <@JAA> | Hmm, https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/3- only shows topics from the past week. |
| 03:14:46 | <thuban> | aggressive pruning? some of the game boards definitely have very old posts |
| 03:17:12 | <@JAA> | Smells like it, yeah. https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/3-poll-of-the-day/77020198 existed in late 2018: https://web.archive.org/web/20181007202729/https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/3-poll-of-the-day/77020198 |
| 03:21:05 | <@JAA> | Some boards have access restrictions: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/306-gamefaqs-usa-atlantic |
| 03:21:48 | <mgrandi> | I'm not saying brute forcing , all of the board IDs should be discoverable |
| 03:21:52 | <thuban> | er, and by "very old" i mean 2008; gamefaqs appears to have had boards (of some form) as far back as 2000. |
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| 03:24:46 | <@JAA> | Wikipedia mentions that boards were shared between GameFAQs and GameSpot between 2004 and 2012. |
| 03:25:04 | <@JAA> | I've only seen a couple posts from before 2012, so that seems related. |
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| 03:27:25 | <@JAA> | There are also topics that don't show up on the corresponding board: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/11-sballin/62745571 |
| 03:27:36 | <mgrandi> | They say they have boards per game |
| 03:28:07 | <mgrandi> | https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/533287-super-mario-sunshine?page=33 has posts from 2008 |
| 03:29:02 | <mgrandi> | https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/198848-super-mario-64?page=61 maybe 2008 is as far back as they go? |
| 03:30:23 | <mgrandi> | https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/197341-final-fantasy-vii?page=1247 also 2008 |
| 03:31:04 | <nuroten> | arkiver, SketchTheCow: what was the question about RTHK? was someone searching for translation, general suggestions on what to focus on backing up or ... |
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| 03:39:00 | <nuroten> | if the question is about who might be interested in an archive of the materials — maybe independent online media, haven't got a name but there was a museum that displayed items from the Umbrella movement |
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| 03:45:48 | <nuroten> | https://www.newschoolfreepress.com/2020/09/30/we-are-all-hongkongers-an-art-exhibit-that-recorded-a-revolution/ |
| 03:47:55 | <nuroten> | the LIHKG forum is frequented by local residents, they will probably be able to provide some names |
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| 03:54:00 | <nuroten> | local museums and libraries may have the connections but I'm guessing most won't take them anymore |
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| 04:00:49 | <nuroten> | thuban: I'm slowly wading through the list of Letter to Hong Kong, at least to grab the audio files, no need to look into that one in particular |
| 04:06:40 | <nuroten> | back later, thanks archiveteam and anyone else helping with the RTHK things! |
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| 04:39:09 | <mgrandi> | Later :) |
| 05:05:38 | <@JAA> | I was going to write to MeriStation, but their contact form is broken (404 after submission). Welp. |
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| 05:49:46 | <guest00014> | Everything I could say is that your are doing a great job. You've done so much for archiving Internet sites. And Internet is so unexpectedly (for me) fragile... Have you heard of codepad.org that won't respond for several weeks? That is terrifying (in a way)... |
| 06:04:02 | <thuban> | the good news is that the 'streaming' version of _hong kong connection_ is in 720p (as opposed to the 'archive', which is 480p) |
| 06:05:19 | <thuban> | the bad news is that it will therefore take one zillion years to download |
| 06:05:50 | <mgrandi> | @guest00014: what about codepad? |
| 06:08:35 | <nuroten> | thuban: haha ... whichever you think is the better approach |
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| 06:11:59 | <guest00014> | @mcgrandi codepad.org used to be an online code interpreter (you know, like jsfiddle, but for several languages), created by Steven Hazel back in 2008. People used it to save code under user accounts, etc. It seems like it .. just disappeared in March 2021, without notice... |
| 06:17:09 | <thuban> | arkiver: each 'Hong Kong Connection' episode comes in a 720p 'vod' version hosted as a playlist with segments, and a 480p 'archive' version hosted as a single video. i plan to download the higher-quality versions to upload to ia, but which do we want for the wbm? both? |
| 06:20:15 | <thuban> | (whoops, actually there are several segmented versions for each ep, at different qualities; i've just only been paying attention to the best) |
| 06:24:16 | <guest00014> | And since it had no CORS, it used to be a cosy place to store js-code and then embed its raw-code to use as part of bookmarklets etc (e.g. pastebin is paid-only for disable CORS, hastebin uses CORS etc). A bit terrifying (and maybe unexpected) is that there is no info what has really happened. But it seems like it can happen to any site... |
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| 09:09:55 | <masterX244> | Was off for the night. Only linked that apple vs epic box.com link since i got a shitty upload at my end and no quick way to bounce the pdfs over my server for faster upload |
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| 10:11:57 | <@OrIdow6> | masterX244: "Only linked"? I don't understand what it was you did |
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| 11:08:08 | <masterX244> | referring to a link i posted earlier in this chat |
| 11:08:28 | <masterX244> | was regarding to a comment on that it doesnt work with the WBM |
| 11:09:45 | <masterX244> | I got really slow upload ==>600MB takes a while for upload. Linked that folder here yesterday so others are aware of it |
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| 12:33:21 | <Peca21> | I am getting this error in warrior Retrying after 60 seconds... |
| 12:33:21 | <Peca21> | exit code 5 for Item y0iGzQ6W |
| 12:33:33 | <Peca21> | max connections (-1) reached??? why -1 |
| 12:35:18 | <rewby> | For what project? |
| 12:37:22 | <Peca21> | Pastebin |
| 12:38:56 | <Peca21> | also this |
| 12:38:57 | <Peca21> | Retrying after 60 seconds... |
| 12:38:58 | <Peca21> | RsyncUpload for Item gGR6rR0w |
| 12:39:20 | <Peca21> | NVM thats the same thing |
| 12:40:23 | <@Kaz> | EggplantN: your box? |
| 12:40:37 | <Peca21> | I switched to reddit now but it wont switch because its stuck on this error |
| 12:40:47 | <@EggplantN> | pastebin? |
| 12:40:47 | <@EggplantN> | ye |
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| 13:58:30 | <yarrow> | Does anyone know how 130k items got added to the Yahoo Answers archive between today and yesterday? |
| 13:59:39 | <rewby> | kid urls were still responding for a few hours, so they tried scraping them |
| 14:00:08 | <@EggplantN> | A question for #noanswers |
| 14:01:45 | <yarrow> | I was inexplicably banned from there despite personally creating over 3% of the Yahoo Answers archive, recruiting many people to the project, and taking time to answer questions in the channel =\ |
| 14:06:12 | <yarrow> | I think maybe you were annoyed that when someone asked how much we had archived I joked that it was 69.420%? |
| 14:08:34 | <yarrow> | Please understand I'm a volunteer, I gave up my time for this, I spent my own money on spinning up a lot of VMs, and it took away from my obligations and relationships to devote my attention to this project. I just ask to be treated with basic respect and decency. |
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| 14:26:42 | <@Kaz> | checking.. |
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| 15:24:12 | <nuroten> | nyany: looks like framasoft is already on deathwatch but maybe a request could be made to queue the pastebin earlier? |
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| 15:36:42 | <ThreeHeadedMonkey> | Looks like you'd have to provide the decryption key as part of the URL in order to view anything on framabin or you'll just see an error message |
| 15:38:11 | <ThreeHeadedMonkey> | Although the encrypted ciphertext is always downloaded even if the key is missing, so that could be saved |
| 15:38:36 | <ThreeHeadedMonkey> | Although saving a bunch of encrypted messages without key doesn't exactly sound very useful... |
| 15:38:41 | <ThreeHeadedMonkey> | keys* |
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| 15:46:21 | <@hook54321> | nyany: apparently they were set to expire after a week by default |
| 15:49:14 | <nyany> | nuroten / hook54321 ah i should have checked dw first |
| 15:49:24 | <nyany> | i just happened to stumble upon it lol |
| 15:54:08 | <nuroten> | yeah, they've been slowly winding down their hosted services for some time, a few at a time, so maybe it's not a bad idea to ask if backups haven't already yet been scheduled |
| 16:03:20 | <nuroten> | the closing schedule: https://alt.framasoft.org/en/ |
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| 16:10:47 | <ThreeHeadedMonkey> | "We refuse to become the « default » solution and to monopolize your uses and attention" - What a creative excuse for deleting their user's data |
| 16:10:48 | <@arkiver> | nyany: any public data on framabin? |
| 16:15:47 | <nuroten> | they are a small non-profit that probably wanted to raise awareness about open source, let people try out the apps. the sunset is happening slowly at least, not disappearing overnight |
| 16:17:00 | <nuroten> | they don't really have a business model to sustain the hosting, it was done through crowdfunding basically |
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| 16:24:08 | <nuroten> | the initial announcement was back in September 2019, most of the stuff is still online but read-only |
| 16:24:29 | <lunik1> | it might be worth reaching out to them directly? |
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| 17:01:52 | <nyany> | I don't know if that's possible because it's an encrypted pastebin |
| 17:02:27 | <nyany> | arkiver: from a quick glance no, but crawls contain links back to their service |
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| 17:19:30 | <betamax> | Has anyone looked at archiving the websites / social media from the UK elections tomorrow? |
| 17:19:33 | <betamax> | ("UK elections" => actually parliment elections for Scotland / Wales, and council elections for England) |
| 17:19:53 | <betamax> | I can get a lot of websites / twitters / facebooks / etc... from democracy club |
| 17:20:36 | <betamax> | But I recall from a month or so ago that there were issue archiving from facebook / instagram due to rate limiting - anyone know if this is still the case (JAA?) |
| 17:23:05 | <@JAA> | betamax: That is still the case, and in fact Facebook has become even worse recently. |
| 17:23:26 | <betamax> | Is twitter still OK? (with the latest version of snscrape?) |
| 17:23:49 | <@JAA> | Yeah |
| 17:24:14 | <betamax> | OK, I'll focus on candidate + party websites and twitter first |
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| 18:05:46 | <@JAA> | MeriStation is gone, by the way. |
| 18:06:26 | <Jake> | :( |
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| 18:34:51 | <thuban> | so, uh... liveleak is not actually gone. the front page and 'browse' are redirecting, but channel pages and individual video items are still there. probably not for long. are we going to get on this? |
| 18:40:40 | <Ryz> | *breathes in heavily* We better get a load of LiveLeak as /much/ as possible before it completely BOMBS itself! |
| 18:40:54 | <Ryz> | JAA, arkiver, etc ^ |
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| 18:42:12 | <thuban> | very little xhr on video pages (video urls in html as <video> <source>, related item links in html wrapped in some js); channels are less nice |
| 18:42:31 | <Ryz> | Provide as much information as possible on how the content can be accessed |
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| 18:43:09 | <thuban> | example video: https://www.liveleak.com/v?t=rpjp29oypa |
| 18:43:22 | <thuban> | example channel: https://www.liveleak.com/v/cute |
| 18:43:44 | <Jake> | is there an easy way to discover channels? |
| 18:44:02 | <thuban> | search is also working: https://www.liveleak.com/list?q=test&a=list&submit=Submit |
| 18:44:12 | <Ryz> | New IRC channel suggestion: liveleaked ? |
| 18:44:28 | <thuban> | deadleak, surely |
| 18:44:47 | <Ryz> | Waiting for JAA for approval |
| 18:45:05 | <Ryz> | livedry? |
| 18:45:35 | <thuban> | ^ whoops, my mistake: channel and search pages both include results in the html, no api finagling needed |
| 18:45:46 | <holbrooke> | "live die repeat" -> "live-die-liveleak" |
| 18:46:44 | <@JAA> | ++deadleak |
| 18:47:06 | <Ryz> | Waiting for the channel to openm |
| 18:47:07 | <Ryz> | *open |
| 18:47:28 | <Jake> | deadleak is my favorite of the bunch |
| 18:47:31 | | Doranwen likes deadleak, even though she can't really help with this one |
| 18:48:10 | <@JAA> | Created |
| 18:48:23 | <Ryz> | My contribution is saying obvious and crappy channel names and hope others come up with a more creative name :p |
| 18:48:27 | <Ryz> | #deadleak |
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| 19:20:32 | <@arkiver> | #liveleaked |
| 19:20:43 | <@arkiver> | ^ thats the channel |
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| 19:22:18 | <@arkiver> | use #deadleak |
| 19:32:18 | <Terbium> | is there any existing tool to dedupe a bunch of WARC files by digest/hash? I have a bunch of WARCs with dupe record payloads. |
| 19:45:20 | <@JAA> | If anyone here knows/understands Bulgarian and could tell me what a guy in a short 35-second video is roughly saying, please get in touch. |
| 19:45:33 | <@JAA> | Yes, this is archival-related. :-) |
| 19:54:01 | <gazorpazorp> | I'm Bulgarian |
| 19:54:18 | <nyany> | JAA: ^ |
| 19:54:43 | <@JAA> | Wonderful! |
| 19:56:01 | <gazorpazorp> | I'll translate, just send something to translate :) |
| 19:57:42 | <@JAA> | See PM |
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| 21:11:03 | <crispyalice2> | Any word on when the parler stuff is going to be made public? |
| 21:23:32 | <mgrandi> | No idea how the upload is going |
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| 21:24:48 | <crispyalice2> | theres a collection on the archive.org with a bunch of items but its privated |
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| 21:26:59 | <mgrandi> | I'm not sure if that is from the project, it might be marked as private due to the weird legal issues around it , would have to ask |
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