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| 00:55:32 | <billy549> | wow, 7 years |
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| 01:07:17 | <@arkiver> | OrIdow6: congrats :) |
| 01:07:53 | <lennier1> | Mastercard Now Requires 'Documented Consent' From Adult Sites: https://www.vice.com/en/article/epng3j/mastercard-now-requires-documented-consent-from-adult-sites |
| 01:09:28 | <lennier1> | Including requiring content review prior to publication. Are payment processors going to de facto kill Section 230? |
| 01:10:01 | <@OrIdow6> | Thanks arkiver haha |
| 01:13:17 | <@OrIdow6> | So the article is a bit vauge on what this actually means, though perhaps it's just because porn finance is an area I'm not familiar with |
| 01:17:43 | <pcr> | Sounds like you won't be able to pay on adult sites with user made content with a credit card now |
| 01:18:12 | <lennier1> | This is Mastercard's post: https://www.mastercard.com/news/perspectives/2021/protecting-our-network-protecting-you-preventing-illegal-adult-content-on-our-network/ |
| 01:18:56 | <@OrIdow6> | Basically the nominal thing seems to be that they're forcing "seller[s] of adult content" (Vice says what this extends to is unclear) to adopt a bunch of restrictions |
| 01:19:16 | <lennier1> | But for Mastercard specifically, it's requiring adult sites who accept payment with them to review all their user submitted content prior to publication. |
| 01:19:31 | <@OrIdow6> | Ah, is that it? |
| 01:19:53 | <@OrIdow6> | I wonder how this will apply to drawn porn, seems like we get a lot of people talking about that here |
| 01:21:09 | <lennier1> | Also they have to confirm every user is over 18 (so no anonymous uploads). Plus some policies about requesting content removal. |
| 01:22:06 | <pcr> | Issue is manually reviewing all user content on a large site will cost too much. That's why social media companies use computers to do it. |
| 01:22:39 | <lennier1> | And as written would seem to make livestreaming impossible. |
| 01:23:14 | <pcr> | Might end up in a lot of legitimate content getting deleted just because they have no way to review it all. |
| 01:25:10 | <lennier1> | Definitely. It already happened with Pornhub, who nuked all their unverified users (and still didn't satisfy payment processors). This is sort of a broader expansion of that. |
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| 01:45:57 | <@OrIdow6> | Well, obviously, "all material on all porn sites" may be a bit too broad for an archiving project |
| 01:51:34 | <pcr> | It wouldn't need to be everything, just stuff made by users and not publishers working with the platform |
| 01:54:29 | <lennier1> | With a combination of free and paid content. (But yeah, that's still a lot.) |
| 01:55:39 | <lennier1> | And I haven't heard about Visa yet, though Visa and Mastercard did basically move in lockstep with Pornhub. |
| 01:56:17 | <lennier1> | (Market opportunity for "free speech credit card".) |
| 01:57:52 | <pcr> | Could always decide to go with crypto too |
| 01:58:09 | <Ryz> | Or a NFT debit or credit card oo; |
| 02:00:14 | <lennier1> | LOL. Yeah, some sites already take crypto. But there are a lot more people with credit cards than crypto wallets. At least for now. |
| 02:09:30 | <Ryz> | But, but, NFT debit card, or NFT credit card, we have to chase these 'fads'-- I mean trends! /s |
| 02:12:22 | <pcr> | If pornhub starts taking crypto as its primary payment method, crypto wallets will become popular real quick |
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| 02:36:07 | <G4te_Keep3r> | pcr well it appears that is the only way right now https://ibb.co/tpRPLJ0 |
| 03:00:02 | <flashfire42> | I will not be involved in the archival of pornhub or any major tube sites I am just gonna say that now |
| 03:07:15 | <G4te_Keep3r> | i was just pointing out the payment method. But yea that is a bit of a slippery slope rabbit hole thing, especially with laws with non-mainstream fetishes. |
| 03:23:13 | <flashfire42> | I am more thinking the CSEM found on Pornhub and other mainstream tube sites |
| 03:30:42 | <G4te_Keep3r> | Technically kids would fall into "non-mainstream fetishes", but yea that would be one of the worse kinds...didnt realize it ended up on main sites. And doesnt ia do youtube, or do they just grab the page and not the video ? |
| 03:33:01 | <thuban> | i assume flashfire42 meant the x-rated tubes, but ia doesn't do youtube en masse, no (not enough space) |
| 03:36:10 | <Wayward> | someone should help me capture all the old timey x-rated porn cartoons though. there was such a collection on pornhub prior to deletegate and i feel terrible for not grabbing more of it |
| 03:36:39 | <thuban> | ^ recommended way to archive selected youtube videos is to upload the videos directly (with tubeup.py or manually); wayback machine can grab pages but video content (depending on era/crawl method) is, _at best_, spotty |
| 03:39:47 | <lennier1> | Well, if you don't verify ages super strictly, there are bound to be some 17 year olds slipping through the cracks. But apparently way more CP ended up on Facebook than on Pornhub (on private groups I would assume). But in any case, the Pornhub fallout has already happened. https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/12/10/pornhub-mastercard-ban-mindgeek/ |
| 03:40:06 | <Wayward> | and more on twitter than facebook |
| 03:40:23 | <lennier1> | I worry about something like Fetlife (adult social network). Or Plexstorm (adult streaming). |
| 03:42:04 | <Wayward> | one of the (intended?) side effects of requiring age verification, is to prevent pretty girls who upload casually when the mood strikes them... leaving behind only the professional gals who hate the competition. re: voter ID laws prevent pretty horny girls from voting. |
| 03:42:50 | <Wayward> | (not everyone wants to associate their name with their online exhibitions) |
| 03:44:09 | <lennier1> | True. Could lead to a shift away from amateur stuff back to higher budget professional productions. And that industry has its own ethical issues. |
| 03:44:47 | <Wayward> | or just people who charge "tokens" to watch someone who should have retired 20 years ago |
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| 04:09:30 | <G4te_Keep3r> | thuban i wondered how ia's storage kept up with youtube's uploads, but that makes sense |
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| 04:14:34 | <G4te_Keep3r> | Wayward lennier1 tumblr didn't beat facebook and twitter combined? Aren't all age verification things a behind the scenes thing that is not public and doesn't tie your handle to your name except in their back end? If you show your id at a bar, the exchange is between you and the bartender not the whole crowd of people. |
| 04:22:19 | <Wayward> | G4te_Keep3r: better keep your facebook profile to yourself, or someone might show up to your house and spam your phone with nudes. |
| 04:22:52 | <Wayward> | every site has been hacked. every site will be hacked. |
| 04:25:43 | <Wayward> | there are at least 3 or 4 sites that have a png of my drivers license that lost control of it, including fbi.gov. |
| 04:31:07 | <G4te_Keep3r> | yea facebook has been worthless except for cross site login for a good while now. And never crossed my mind about hacking for somrething other than user/pw/cc or payment info. At least they only needed pic of your DL and not social security card. |
| 04:33:14 | <Wayward> | https://edition.cnn.com/2021/04/04/tech/facebook-user-info-leaked/index.html |
| 04:33:56 | <Wayward> | this site will tell you if your information was exfiltrated, and where. https://haveibeenpwned.com/ |
| 04:39:15 | <G4te_Keep3r> | yea hibp has been a great site for alerts |
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| 05:44:26 | <purplebot> | In The Media edited by Nintendofan885 (+1609, Update) just now -- https://www.archiveteam.org/?diff=46549&oldid=44692 |
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| 05:56:23 | <Cappyo> | Hello, I'm trying to run a docker image on my Raspberry Pi 4 but when I try to download it I get that no image exists for ARMV7, any help? |
| 05:58:41 | <G4te_Keep3r> | no arm |
| 05:59:21 | <@JAA> | No Raspberry Pi or other ARM support at the moment. |
| 06:00:07 | <G4te_Keep3r> | Pi or any arm (including m1 macs). eggplant has it on hid todo list. The concern is possibly corrupting data.. |
| 06:00:17 | <G4te_Keep3r> | *his |
| 06:01:32 | <Cappyo> | Ok, I get it. Thank you for your help. I think I'm just going to run it on Virtual box |
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| 08:55:13 | <@JAA> | masterX244: Curious, what made you look into tm-exchange.com? It's a funny coincidence since I just happened upon that site a few days ago and thought it'd be nice to archive it. |
| 08:56:16 | <masterX244> | Playing tm forever and a short outage just when i was after something myself |
| 08:56:54 | <masterX244> | jaa: enough user content there aka prime example of a archiveworthy site |
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| 08:57:01 | <@JAA> | Ah |
| 08:57:04 | <@JAA> | Yeah, absolutely. |
| 08:57:42 | <masterX244> | Only shit is the pagination of the tracksearch, thats why i wrote that dirty tool for getting all tracks |
| 08:58:07 | <masterX244> | (but im sure most archival tools here got hacks in the code) |
| 08:58:19 | <@JAA> | Yeah, ASP.NET's POST business is disgusting. |
| 08:58:52 | <masterX244> | Also: site shows a larger trackcount on search than returning. Program crashed on first discovery since it didnt expect being short. Thanks god for my debug logging |
| 08:59:50 | <masterX244> | (empty page yielded a null instead of empty array on the tracklist xpath-query, fixed that with nullcheck and early break) |
| 09:00:18 | <masterX244> | Goin to upload first chunk once i got 50GB of warcs (allows some convenient wildcarding) |
| 09:00:37 | <@JAA> | :-) |
| 09:01:33 | <masterX244> | And funny how i ninja'd you unintentionally since you thought of the same |
| 09:02:39 | <@JAA> | Yeah |
| 09:03:24 | <@JAA> | I came upon it via a video about the impossible shortcut. |
| 09:03:41 | <@JAA> | But happy to strike it from my todo list! :-) |
| 09:03:58 | <masterX244> | Knew it from sunrise/united before forever times. That site is really old |
| 09:04:07 | <Ryz> | Heheh, unintentional goods~ x3 |
| 09:07:33 | <masterX244> | Also: i kept me some note files that make incremental discovery easier since i don't need to crawl past the amount of new tracks added since last crawl to find those urls |
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| 16:42:58 | <masterX244> | first chunk of tm-exchange backup ready soon |
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| 21:40:52 | <masterX244> | TM-exchange first 50GB of WARCs uploaded. 2nd package expected to be ready somewhere tomorrow |
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