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03:12:17<purplebot>CNET Forums created by VADemon (+743, Create short stub page) just now -- https://www.archiveteam.org/?diff=45837&oldid=0
03:12:18<purplebot>Deathwatch edited by VADemon (+11, /* 2021 */ Add link to CNET Forums …) just now -- https://www.archiveteam.org/?diff=45838&oldid=45836
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04:08:38<atphoenix>Salesforce is buying Slack. https://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory/salesforce-buy-work-chat-service-slack-277-billion-74489496
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08:16:36<flirora>Fandom appears to be migrating (the post was made in May this year but somehow it hasn't shown up on this channel yet) – chat is being retired
08:16:38<flirora>https://community.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:MisterWoodhouse/The_first_migrations_to_the_Unified_Community_Platform
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10:57:21<Ryz>Just incase this gets forgotten: https://twitter.com/textfiles/status/1334268275765760010
10:57:28<Ryz>Disappearing goods...
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12:12:22<EggplantN_>hey arkiver you never rejoined #lookatthisfotograph
12:12:27<EggplantN_>nagi is nearly done, :D
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14:01:30<Webuser573>I went to "http://chat.efnet.org:9090/?channels=%23archiveteam" and it said go to "ircs://irc.hackint.org:6697/archiveteam" but I actually find you at archiveteam-bs
14:01:43<Webuser573>What is going on?
14:03:22<@JAA>Webuser573: #archiveteam exists as well and is our main channel for announcements etc. This is for discussions.
14:05:22<Webuser573>I found the ircs url did not work as a search in my DuckDuckGo search enabled browser. You might want to give a different url in the old chat page
14:05:56<Webuser573>Anyway, I went to the old chat because of message when an edit of mine to the wiki was moderated, it said
14:06:08<Webuser573>You are editing your version of this article. It is currently awaiting moderation.Once approved, it will be visible to other users.For any questions, Please see the IRC at the #archiveteam (on EFnet) channel on EFnet.
14:06:21<@JAA>IRC clients should normally understand the URL. A browser won't but isn't an IRC client, so that's expected.
14:06:40<Webuser573>Should that message be updated?
14:06:44<@JAA>jrwr: ^ Please fix the moderation message to hackint.
14:07:08<Webuser573>As a novice IRC user, this is all confusing, especually as I read IRC in a browser
14:08:10<Webuser573>My second question is I made 3 wiki changes, 2 were approved quickly, but the third to the Flash page is stuck in moderation limbo and I see someone has made a subsequent change
14:08:18<Webuser573>that clashes with it. How will this be resolved?
14:08:50<@JAA>Yeah, understandable. The vast majority of people in here use a proper client, not the webchat. I'd put a webchat link in the EFnet topics, but I believe that would exceed EFnet's ridiculous topic length limit (which is one of the reasons we moved albeit a minor one).
14:10:55<@JAA>I saw your edit last night. It's been in limbo because of that later edit, so it needs to be resolved manually, which is ... slightly annoying. I'll do it later.
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14:12:22<Webuser573>I've been making changes to the wiki occasionaly for a year. How much longer will moderation be in place?
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14:15:52<@JAA>Until spammers stop spamming. So forever.
14:19:58<Webuser573>You are making things hard for the casual user to help you. Unless IRC has a history mechanism I can't see I'm sure I'm asking questions that have been asked before
14:20:42<Webuser573>The warrior has lots of projects, but switching to anything apart from the default project never seems to work
14:22:49<Webuser573>The url team tracker doesn't have a order number, which removes the gamification element of rising through the ranks,
14:24:33<Webuser573>and lots of projects in the wiki have complex implementation details, but no simple FAQ for people looking to get at archived content.
14:25:41<Webuser573>I am contrasting this with Flashpoint, who have a better website, OK wiki, and a more modern discord server. They have a more limited remit, but are much more approachable
14:29:09<@JAA>There are public IRC logs for the main channels. They're linked on the wiki.
14:31:50<@JAA>The warrior issues are known but tricky to resolve, apparently. They will get fixed though.
14:32:58<@JAA>Not sure what you mean by 'url team tracker doesn't have a order number'; functionally, it's the same as the other trackers...?
14:34:39<Webuser573>It has columns for Username, Found and Scanned, but not Ranking. The only way I can see I'm number 265 is to put 270 in the limit box and count back
14:35:03<@JAA>Right, but the other trackers don't have a rank number either.
14:36:24<Webuser573>Perhaps you could pass on the suggestion to the person that maintains the common system behind the trackers.
14:37:02<Webuser573>BTW, I looked at the IRC logs, but they are pretty clumsy compared with a modern chat system.
14:37:28<phuzion>Webuser573: We've discussed moving to other platforms such as Slack or Discord, and it isn't happening.
14:37:59<@JAA>As for finding our archives, yeah, that's a mess. Generally, the wiki isn't well-updated either, unfortunately. We already lack the human resources for many things, so we'd rather get more archival done since that's considered more important than documentation. Although yes, definitely sucks.
14:39:05<Webuser573>Functionality like searching is missing from https://logs.kiska.pw/archiveteam-bs/2020-12-03. I think you'd gain more volunteers if you were more accessible, so its a false economy to skimp on that side of things.
14:40:02<@JAA>The search is linked from https://logs.kiska.pw/ . But yes, that logger is still very new (from when we moved over to hackint) and I'm working on that.
14:42:04<@JAA>(I already added a link to the search from the daily log pages a while ago, but it's not deployed yet because there are further changes to do.)
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15:06:06<Webuser573>I hope you found my feedback useful. I need to go now
15:07:07<@kiska>If you want to use a differnet one try https://hackint.logs.kiska.pw/
15:07:26<@kiska>This one does have search functionality
15:12:46<@jrwr>@JAA we need to update a good bit of of the wiki for the new IRC server
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15:18:55<phuzion>jrwr: I'm willing to help with updating references, I'd probably just need some permissions to do so.
15:19:10<@jrwr>just find the pages, we can make the changes
15:19:17<@jrwr>I know about the main ones, its just finding them all
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15:20:41<@kiska>I guess if people want a better ui for logs just point them at my logbot?
15:23:38<phuzion>jrwr: fwiw, insource: searching isn't working on the wiki
15:23:44<phuzion>https://archiveteam.org/index.php?title=Special:Search&profile=advanced&search=insource%3Aefnet&fulltext=1
15:24:00<phuzion>this should give me every page in main namespace that has the string "efnet" in the page source
15:24:09<@jrwr>Um
15:24:13<@jrwr>that can't be standard
15:24:36<phuzion>insource? It's been a standard feature of search for a long time on mediawiki
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15:27:50<phuzion>I know I've used it in the past on the archiveteam wiki. I also know search has been messed up on a number of other wikis I help admin, so it's possible there was a breaking change that needs backend fixing.
15:28:05<@jrwr>or removed in later versions
15:28:09<@jrwr>they have been doing that shit
15:28:45<phuzion>One of the wikis I admin is running 1.35.0 (latest) and has insource
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15:45:55<@JAA>Another one is that Template:IRC defaults to EFnet. And in turn, so does Template:Infobox_project. That's going to be an annoyance in the long run, but so is having to update all the past uses.
15:46:42<phuzion>I'll handle those templates real quick
15:47:07<@JAA>I've also been thinking whether we should add a 'dead' indicator to Template:IRC.
15:47:17<phuzion>Dead? As in, the channel is dead?
15:47:20<@JAA>Then render the channel in strikethrough or similar.
15:47:24<@JAA>Yeah, abandoned channels.
15:47:30<phuzion>Gotcha, yeah, that might be smart
15:48:21<phuzion>Oh, you know what? We probably can't just change Template:IRC because it would change the links on dozens of existing uses of that template
15:48:29<@JAA>Exactly.
15:48:39<@JAA>That's what I meant above.
15:48:58<phuzion>I can do that with AWB tonight, actually.
15:50:35<@jrwr>'''IRC channel''' || {{#if:{{{irc|}}}|{{IRC|{{{irc|archiveteam}}}|{{{irc_network|}}}}}|{{IRC|archiveteam}}}}
15:50:40<@jrwr>its already supporting networks
15:50:54<@jrwr>so just gotta update IRC|archiveteam for the defaults
15:51:19<phuzion>But if we change the defaults, more than 500 links will point to hackint that should still be pointing to efnet
15:54:09<phuzion>So basically, what I'll do is update all of the infobox_project instances that don't have "irc_network" to be "irc_network = efnet" which will fix most of them, and then the direct transclusions of {{IRC}} can be fixed manually later. Then we can update the defaults for {{Infobox project}} and {{IRC}} to point to hackint.
15:54:42<@jrwr>The template doesn't directly relate to EFNET
15:55:00<@jrwr>just its channel defaults for archiveteam irc linking
15:55:09<@jrwr>the Template:IRC is cross linked into the infobox
15:55:28<@jrwr>since irc_network is defaulted to blank
15:55:33<phuzion>Yes, but Infobox project also supports an irc_network parameter, which is passed into Template:IRC
15:55:38<@jrwr>Right
15:56:11<@jrwr>now really we should clean up all the old infoboxes that are dead channels anyway
15:56:19<@jrwr>what we could do
15:56:46<@jrwr>is change all infoboxes that are still on efnet to just get renamed to #archiveteam on hackit anywa
15:56:50<@jrwr>anyway*
15:57:01<@jrwr>and sunset all those old channels no one is using anymoer
15:57:08<phuzion>Maybe a #archiveteam-legacyprojects channel or something?
15:57:30<@JAA>We could, but it'd be nice to keep a reference to them anyway. That's why I mentioned that 'dead' indicator.
15:57:31<phuzion>That way people aren't popping into #archiveteam and like "HEY HOW DO I HELP ARCHIVE GEOCITIES?!?"
15:57:41<@jrwr>lol
15:57:45<@jrwr>I mean they do that anyway
15:57:48<phuzion>True.
15:57:50<@JAA>Default channel -bs?
15:58:01<phuzion>I'd be fine with -bs being the default.
15:58:01<@jrwr>Ya, thats what I was going to suggest
15:58:41<@jrwr>we /could/ update the template to detect efnet usage, make it dead and link to a special page instead or link to the webirc to here
15:58:45<@JAA>Still would be nice to keep a record of the previous channel. E.g. if you're looking for log files and can't remember the channel name for an old project.
15:59:35<phuzion>How about this. What if we update template so that it links to -bs, but still shows the old channel name, and has a [1] hover that you can see "This channel is no longer active. Logs may be available at https://logs.url.goes.here/channel"
15:59:36<@JAA>And having the dead indicator would then be rendered as '#archiveteam-bs (formerly #whatever on EFnet)' or similar.
15:59:53<@jrwr>Yep
16:00:13<@JAA>Sounds good.
16:00:32<@jrwr>propose the template changes and ill be happy to approve them
16:00:45<phuzion>Cool, I'll try to work on something this afternoon.
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16:03:36<@JAA>Reminds me of the changes I wanted to make to the infobox template years ago.
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16:39:17<purplebot>Main Page edited by Jrwr (+17) just now -- https://www.archiveteam.org/?diff=45841&oldid=40889
16:39:46<phuzion>jrwr: Minor typo there, "Hackit"
16:39:59<phuzion>Should be "Hackint"
16:41:32<VADemon>Also, as of yesterday still error (no permission?) to upload images
16:43:18<purplebot>Template:Instant messengers edited by Sanqui (+22, boost readability) just now -- https://www.archiveteam.org/?diff=45843&oldid=44299
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16:50:19<purplebot>Matrix edited by Sanqui (+26, add Instant messengers template) just now -- https://www.archiveteam.org/?diff=45850&oldid=43276
16:51:18<purplebot>Category:Instant messengers created by Sanqui (+35, create page) just now -- https://www.archiveteam.org/?diff=45851&oldid=0
16:51:18<purplebot>Keybase edited by Sanqui (+26, add IM template) just now -- https://www.archiveteam.org/?diff=45852&oldid=45804
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17:04:18<purplebot>Main Page edited by Jrwr (+1) 24 minutes ago -- https://www.archiveteam.org/?diff=45842&oldid=45841
17:05:40<@JAA>'IRC at the #archiveteam (on hackint) channel on Hackint' :-)
17:05:52<Sanqui>gotta drive the point home :)
17:10:18<purplebot>Template:Instant messengers edited by Sanqui (+96, add ims) 23 minutes ago -- https://www.archiveteam.org/?diff=45848&oldid=45843
17:10:57<phuzion>hey y'all, did you know that the Hackint #archiveteam channel (on hackint) is on the Hackint network, located at ircs://irc.hackint.org, which happens to be where Hackint, the IRC network is located?
17:14:06<@jrwr>fuckit, lets hackit
17:14:07<@jrwr>:p
17:15:53<Sanqui>so I know it would be a stupid/monumental task but anybody up for breaking down this template into smaller thematic ones? https://archiveteam.org/index.php?title=Template:Navigation_box
17:16:16<@jrwr>um holy cow
17:16:18<@jrwr>thats a big box
17:16:22<Sanqui>there can still be a catalogue page that would list them all, in fact that would be awesome, but with the size the box is near-useless
17:16:37<@JAA>I've never been much of a fan of that box really for exactly that reason.
17:16:48<Sanqui>navigation boxes for individual topics like the IM one I made are better IMO https://www.archiveteam.org/index.php?title=Template:Instant_messengers
17:16:54<@JAA>And also it's rarely updated, so lots of the bigger recent projects are missing.
17:17:10<Sanqui>basically each row of this box should get its own template
17:17:33<Sanqui>but I know mediawiki syntax ain't very fun
17:17:37<@JAA>Yeah, similar to the nav boxes on Wikipedia, which show stuff related to the current page.
17:17:43<Sanqui>*sigh* where's my next-gen wiki engine
17:18:16<@JAA>Could have a template for both the nav box and a particular category.
17:18:42<@JAA>To avoid duplication on the page, that is.
17:18:43<Sanqui>the relevant template can add the page to the appropriate category
17:19:04<@JAA>So {{NavboxAndCategory|Something}} instead of a navbox + a category link.
17:19:17<Sanqui>https://archiveteam.org/index.php?title=Category:Instant_messengers
17:19:20<@JAA>And the category page would again embed the navbox, perhaps?
17:19:31<Sanqui>yeah, I suppose the navbox could link to the category page
17:19:49<Sanqui>I'll fix the navbox so that it has a nocat parameter
17:20:42<@JAA>Or *shudder* update the navbox template to have a parameter that does the above.
17:21:19<@JAA>And lots of {{#if: :-P
17:21:39<Sanqui>sadly, I'm no stranger to that
17:22:38<Sanqui>https://etc.sanqui.net/mediawiki_madness.png
17:23:25<Terbium>What the hell is that syntax madness
17:23:37<@JAA>One thing I've always wondered about: why the hell is there no link to all templates from SpecialPages?
17:23:45<@JAA>Sanqui: Oh god.
17:23:46<phuzion>Terbium: That's how a bunch of templates on wikipedia work.
17:24:17<phuzion>JAA: https://archiveteam.org/index.php?from=&to=&namespace=10&title=Special%3AAllPages
17:25:08<@JAA>And I thought my 'Archiving type' row on https://archiveteam.org/index.php?title=Template:Infobox_project_sandbox&oldid=31242&action=edit was bad.
17:25:59<@JAA>phuzion: Right, but templates are such a core thing on MW, I think they should be linked directly from SpecialPages. I need to think about where I can find them every time I'm looking for one.
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17:27:47<phuzion>Generally, if I' whipping up a new page, I just keep a second tab or window open and have it set to something like this
17:27:48<phuzion>https://archiveteam.org/index.php?search=infobox&title=Special%3ASearch&profile=advanced&fulltext=1&ns10=1
17:27:56<phuzion>and then search for infoboxes there
17:28:03<phuzion>I do agree though that templates should be much more discoverable.
17:29:16<Sanqui>https://archiveteam.org/index.php?title=Category:Instant_messengers
17:29:18<Sanqui>now with nocat
17:29:21<purplebot>Keybase edited by Sanqui (+233, Fix vital signs, switch to endangered) 21 minutes ago -- https://www.archiveteam.org/?diff=45854&oldid=45852
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17:30:07<@JAA>I like cats though. :-(
17:30:36<Sanqui>I'm a bird
17:30:51<@JAA>I like birbs too. :-)
17:30:55<Sanqui>:>
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17:36:10<Sanqui>https://etc.sanqui.net/2020-12-03T19-35-35_google_email.png just got this
17:36:10<Sanqui>oh no
17:37:06<@JAA>'bring us in line with industry practices' lol
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17:46:18<purplebot>Category:Instant messengers edited by Sanqui (-2, add template with nocat) 17 minutes ago -- https://www.archiveteam.org/?diff=45856&oldid=45851
17:46:46<EggplantN_>We were saying JAA at work. We wonder when they're gonna start making YT count towards GDrive storage
17:46:54<EggplantN_>It sounds like they're wanting to cut back
17:49:19<purplebot>Template:Instant messengers edited by Sanqui (+107) 20 minutes ago -- https://www.archiveteam.org/?diff=45855&oldid=45848
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18:02:22<@JAA>Yup, see also the upcoming GSuite changes. Guess they don't have infinite resources after all.
18:02:31<@JAA>Anyway, let's move further discussion about this to -ot.
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18:40:18<purplebot>Template:Instant messengers edited by Sanqui (+7, fix the nocat if) 18 minutes ago -- https://www.archiveteam.org/?diff=45858&oldid=45855
19:16:40<@Kaz>heh, wolframalpha uses "approximate data content of the Internet Archive Wayback Machine" as a data size comparison
19:16:57<@Kaz>only problem is, it's "as of 2006" and is therefore only 2PB
19:21:56<@JAA>lol
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19:22:57<@kiska>"As of December 2020, the Wayback Machine contained over 70 petabytes of data" https://blog.adafruit.com/2020/12/01/donate-to-the-internet-archive-digital-library-of-free-borrowable-books-movies-music-wayback-machine-internetarchive/ :D
19:23:10<@kiska>paraphrased :D
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23:30:18<OrIdow6>Mikesky, were you directed here for some specific purpose (such as a site going down), or some other reason?
23:31:22<Mikesky>Yeah, I was here to check out Poly but it appears you're already monitoring it, I found the dedicated chat from the wiki
23:32:25<OrIdow6>Oh, didn't notice you werere the same person from #polygone
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23:57:52<VADemon>That freshlive list incomplete: e.g. #244 playlist exists but is missing from list. This is just video content without metadata
23:58:04<VADemon>oh and found a (translated?) announcement: https://www.reddit.com/r/stardomjoshi/comments/j3obvb/fresh_live_marvelous_streamingvod_provider_will/

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