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05:56:27<Zopolis4>reiterating my unanswered question from before, around how long do people think before the us election stuff clears up?
05:58:30<@JAA>Zopolis4: In ArchiveBot? Hard to say. Maybe another week.
06:00:27<jodizzle>Zopolis4: You mentioned the possibility of a Dec 1st deadline for one/some of your sites, right? If so, you should bring it up here or in #archivebot so we can discuss it
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06:26:06<Zopolis4>yh a large chunk of my sites (not sure exactly how many, working on getting acess to a database with all of them), will most likely remove most of their content after dec 1st
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06:26:25<Zopolis4>maybe a few days later
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06:28:18<@JAA>How many and what kind of sites are we talking about here?
06:28:47<Zopolis4>around 1500? not sure exactly
06:28:57<Zopolis4>online game sites
06:29:08<Zopolis4>these are the ones that flashpoint hasnt already gotten
06:36:27<@JAA>Oof
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07:12:10<jodizzle>Well if they're flash games, I don't think AB will do much good as far as getting the games.
07:13:16<jodizzle>Would still be possible to get the webpages on the site, though.
07:16:14<Zopolis4>does ab not grab files
07:18:32<jodizzle>It does, but that's not always the same as grabbing everything necessary to be able to playback dynamic web content.
07:19:05<Zopolis4>multiasset flash is rare
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07:21:42<jodizzle>I don't actually know how flash works very well, but my understanding is that the problem with AB and flash is similar to the problem with AB and capturing javascript-based content, in the sense that AB doesn't simulate javascript when it grabs a site.
07:21:49<jodizzle>But someone can correct me if I'm wrong
07:24:52<Arcorann>Most of the time one can grab the .swf and it'll be enough; sometimes it won't work but this is rarer
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07:32:27<jodizzle>Interesting. So is the work of Flashpoint mostly organizing/annotating the flash content and making it easily replayable?
07:35:43<Ryz>Yeah, basically running Flashpoint is like running your own server in your own computer to make playing games because of the sitelocks and external content it needs to load to make it happen
07:35:58<Ryz>*to make playing games happen
07:37:44<jodizzle>But I thought grabbing the .swf is enough most of the time?
07:38:45<jodizzle>I guess a related problem is that the .swf might only be served by the site through dynamic content, making it harder to automate collection with something like AB.
07:44:30<Ryz>Well, some .swf files need to load additional content since the .swf is just a loader at that point
07:44:45<Ryz>Some content can only be loaded when in certain points
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09:24:47<thuban>case in point: homestar runner. very influential (or at least well-known) web series. no javascript on the site, and the toons were all self-contained, rather than loaders--but *all* the navigation was in flash.
09:25:03<thuban>(fortunately it has a very well-tended wiki; i believe spidering that with outlinks would be enough to hit every page on the site.)
09:25:33<thuban>honestly i think that's rare--all-flash sites had a very brief heyday.
09:26:00<thuban>in general, tho, we might consider focusing on animation rather than games; they're much more likely to be single-asset, and flashpoint is definitely tilted towards games.
09:26:16<thuban>(i would say 'to the point that that remains low-hanging animation fruit'--there's stuff from _albinoblacksheep_ that's not in there--but i'm not actually sure how much has been scraped but not curated. https://bluemaxima.org/flashpoint/datahub/Extended_FAQ#ArchivedWebsites has a google drive and a google spreadsheet, but they're both private for some reason. probably
09:26:18<thuban>important to get in on that.)
09:30:19<thuban>flashfire42: preceding conversation rtyi?
09:32:43<thuban>(i feel like we should be liasing better with flashpoint over this, but i suspect discord is a real stumbling block)
09:37:46<Arcorann>Someone should really just go over there and start liasing
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11:49:59<mgrandi>The only time I've seen multi asset swfs were to get around file upload limits for a site
11:50:52<mgrandi>However if need be, I can attempt to look into see if a swf is multi asset or not, it might be possible with the actionscript api if you load the swf inside as3
11:51:30<mgrandi>@kiwec nice work :)
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17:24:54<kpcyrd>can somebody change https://www.archiveteam.org/ to always redirect to https://archiveteam.org/ ?
17:25:01<kpcyrd>right now that's only the case if you're logged in
17:25:48<kpcyrd>it's really confusing because you can log into www.archiveteam.org but as soon as you are you always get redirected to archiveteam.org, where you aren't logged in
17:26:00<kpcyrd>so I usually end up logging in twice
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17:33:08<@Kaz>jrwr ^^
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18:43:47<@JAA>I agree with that, www should just go away in general.
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19:09:43<nico_32>if you do that, please also fix the CI for wikiteams
19:10:09<nico_32>it use the prod wiki
19:15:36<@JAA>As long as it redirects, that shouldn't be a problem, right?
19:27:29<nico_32>some test are checking the canonical url
19:29:07<nico_32>https://github.com/WikiTeam/wikiteam/commit/320115fe5a7aac20bacd8710d689aa8425174d82
19:29:29<nico_32>hu i remembered wrongly
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21:04:59<mgrandi>https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1326967731887935492
21:05:11<mgrandi>Was very sudden :(
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21:07:26<@JAA>https://twitter.com/ICEgov seems fine?
21:08:19<@JAA>https://twitter.com/ghost_headplate/status/1326993881125285893
21:08:21<@JAA>lol
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21:31:30<nyany>JAA: https://twitter.com/ICEgov/status/1326995082495537152
21:31:53<nyany>also lol https://twitter.com/hectro805/status/1326995333725921285
21:33:01<@JAA>Yep, 'technical glitch'. lol
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22:51:44<mgrandi>Yeah, wonder if it was fully deleted or just deactivated
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