| 00:00:49 | <@JAA> | immibis: Hm? It's AGPLv3. |
| 00:01:52 | <immibis> | they published some source code but repeatedly refuse to prove that is actually the source code of Signal. |
| 00:02:10 | <@JAA> | The Android build is supposedly reproducible, though I haven't tested that. |
| 00:02:13 | <nicolas17> | don't they do reproducible builds? |
| 00:04:01 | <@JAA> | Don't get me wrong, there are plenty of issues with it. The official builds include proprietary code (Google stuff, among other things), unless that changed in the past couple years. |
| 00:07:34 | <@JAA> | (There's at least one third-party FOSS build of it.) |
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| 00:15:35 | <fireonlive> | apparently they want to do reproducible builds for apple as well but apple wont let them? |
| 00:15:47 | <nicolas17> | well they can |
| 00:16:08 | <nicolas17> | they can make the code compile in a reproducible way |
| 00:16:34 | <nicolas17> | the problem is that you can't check if the binary you (and anyone) compiles matches what's in the app store, and raise the alarm if it doesn't match |
| 00:16:45 | <nicolas17> | because the binary from the appstore is DRM'd |
| 00:16:58 | <fireonlive> | ah |
| 00:22:31 | <@JAA> | Well, most Android users can't do that either. You'd have to use the APK from the website *and* disable its internal updater. |
| 00:22:49 | <@JAA> | But yeah |
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| 00:32:52 | <fireonlive> | https://x.com/danghentschel/status/1791526735919648832?s=12 |
| 00:32:58 | <fireonlive> | #lifehack |
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| 00:50:20 | <nukke> | fireonlive: same dude https://x.com/danghentschel/status/1778217579926224997 |
| 00:50:26 | <nukke> | 🔥 |
| 00:50:43 | <nukke> | I can't stop laughing |
| 00:50:45 | <fireonlive> | lmao |
| 00:50:48 | <fireonlive> | 🔥 |
| 02:18:52 | <nulldata> | On WAN show Linus spent 5+ minutes talking about how you can't be mad all the time and should acknowledge when someone does something good. Then a topic or 2 later reported on GamersNexus' ASUS repair issues and wouldn't say the reporting came from GN lol |
| 02:24:21 | <nukke> | his take on the Apple iPad ad was kinda dumb imo and that was like 2-3 days ago |
| 02:25:01 | <nukke> | also his recent take on the steam deck is also just... oof |
| 02:35:05 | <fireonlive> | nulldata: lmao, that petty bitch |
| 02:36:19 | <fireonlive> | thuban: yeah thanks :) i should fix my regex to see if i can cover that too |
| 02:36:31 | <fireonlive> | it's a bit of massaging so [clock scan ...] is happier |
| 02:38:11 | <nulldata> | Heh at the start of the show they covered the deleted pictures reappearing on Apple devices after the latest update and started blaming it on iCloud. People in chat tried to tell him it's more likely the files were still on the device and never deleted, just flagged as deleted. He disagreed because "NAND doesn't work like that". |
| 02:42:51 | <nicolas17> | if the file is deleted, it's deleted, that's how NAND works |
| 02:43:04 | <nicolas17> | but it's possible the file was not deleted, just the photo in the photos database |
| 02:49:11 | <nulldata> | That's contingent on the OS/file system telling the NAND though. You can 'delete' things in the file system index and never tell the NAND to secure erase that portion. |
| 02:50:28 | <nukke> | yes, that's absolutely on the file system and OS. agreed with nulldata |
| 02:50:51 | <nukke> | also there were reports of users that did the "factory reset" procedure, sold the device and still had their media reappear |
| 02:51:49 | <nukke> | afaik Secure Erase _can_ be done on individual partitions/parts of the flash storage that would not affect the recovery partition |
| 02:52:20 | <nicolas17> | secure erase on iOS works by securely erasing the encryption keys |
| 02:52:30 | <nukke> | I listen to WAN show clips when I need my blood pressure to go up :P |
| 02:52:53 | <nulldata> | nicolas17 - apparently not though :P |
| 02:53:32 | <nicolas17> | if they actually did the factory reset they were supposed to do, then the photo resurrection is likely iCloud-related |
| 02:55:00 | <nulldata> | I'm leaning toward they didn't do what they were supposed to do. Later in the show someone mentioned they just updated and had old images reappear - and they had iCloud off. |
| 02:55:47 | <nicolas17> | *that* seems more like deleting photos is leaving leftover files |
| 02:56:00 | <nicolas17> | and 17.5 is finding the unreferenced files and re-adding them to the DB |
| 02:56:24 | <fireonlive> | given the absolute fucking mess imessage was for me i'd believe it |
| 02:56:51 | <nicolas17> | fireonlive: oh there was also someone claiming these were images sent over iMessage that a bug is re-adding to the photo library |
| 02:56:52 | <nukke> | even then, if it was icloud, *not* logging into your apple account on a device *after* it's been factory reset should not restore your images |
| 02:56:58 | <fireonlive> | ohh |
| 02:57:05 | <nicolas17> | after they were deleted from the photo library but they are still in iMessage history |
| 02:57:08 | <nukke> | like the users that are saying that deleted files on reset devices that have been sold off to someone else |
| 02:57:16 | <fireonlive> | and the resultant reluctant decision to delete the convo after all to have something that would work resulting in crashes and needing to reboot the phone and re-deleting like 5 times... lol |
| 02:57:38 | <nulldata> | The story initially broke when someone who (at least claims) factory wiped their device and sold it to a friend had images from the initial owner appear after the phone was updated. |
| 02:58:29 | <nukke> | knowing apple we will never know the root cause 🤡 |
| 02:58:40 | <nicolas17> | nulldata: https://old.reddit.com/r/ios/comments/1cryayx/latest_ios_update_has_brought_back_some_pictures/ I think this was the first |
| 02:58:44 | <nukke> | "Release notes: - Fixed random bugs" |
| 02:58:45 | | fireonlive writes down: buy old phones of hot friends |
| 02:58:49 | <fireonlive> | ✅ |
| 02:59:10 | <nukke> | nicolas17: please take out the bonk stick |
| 02:59:16 | <nicolas17> | nukke: did you see this https://old.reddit.com/r/ios/comments/1cryayx/latest_ios_update_has_brought_back_some_pictures/l4b2thx/ |
| 02:59:27 | <nicolas17> | idr if I sent it here |
| 03:00:06 | <nukke> | yeah you did link that yesterday iirc. seems a bit tinfoil-y even for me |
| 03:00:09 | <nulldata> | fireonlive - better hurry before Apple pulls the update and stops signing update auths :P |
| 03:00:24 | <fireonlive> | ! indeed |
| 03:00:24 | <nicolas17> | it's fuckin hilarious |
| 03:04:50 | <@JAA> | fireonlive bonk++ |
| 03:04:50 | <eggdrop> | [karma] 'fireonlive bonk' now has 19 karma! |
| 03:07:48 | <fireonlive> | 😵💫 |
| 03:22:27 | <nulldata> | *surprise!* Boeing Starliner has been delayed again! https://finance.yahoo.com/news/boeing-starliners-debut-crewed-flight-025244184.html |
| 03:39:33 | <fireonlive> | :O |
| 03:39:36 | <fireonlive> | no wai |
| 03:39:39 | <fireonlive> | haha |
| 04:28:37 | <@JAA> | Speaking of Apple, to the surprise of absolutely noone: https://www.theregister.com/2024/05/17/apple_browser_eu/ |
| 04:30:01 | <fireonlive> | apple just wants to protect the security of those in better regions of the world |
| 04:30:11 | | fireonlive dies |
| 04:45:40 | <nicolas17> | https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM-4D/3D_building |
| 04:45:44 | <nicolas17> | scroll down slowly |
| 04:46:17 | <nicolas17> | "The outline of whole building is a whole view from top" "this differs from the customary OSM manner (use of the ground floor of the building)" |
| 04:46:32 | <nicolas17> | followed by the last thing you would expect to see as an example |
| 04:59:57 | <nukke> | https://www.businessinsider.com/openai-ends-superalignment-team-manage-ai-risks-2024-5 |
| 05:00:06 | <nukke> | didn't that one cofounder just leave like two days ago? 👀 |
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| 06:09:37 | <fireonlive> | https://dl.fireon.live/irc/d91a92834b98b212/cryptowasamistake.png |
| 06:11:13 | <fireonlive> | scam link is: https://t.me/Simple_Tap_Bot?start=1715887132160 |
| 06:11:27 | <fireonlive> | i assume the start is a referrer id? |
| 06:40:39 | <steering> | could be that too but it's just a millisecond unix timestamp |
| 06:40:53 | <steering> | $ TZ= date -d @1715887132 |
| 06:40:53 | <steering> | Thu May 16 19:18:52 UTC 2024 |
| 07:46:00 | <fireonlive> | ah right |
| 07:46:27 | <fireonlive> | still not used to 17x yet :( |
| 08:32:20 | <f_> | fireonlive bonk++ |
| 08:32:20 | <eggdrop> | [karma] 'fireonlive bonk' now has 23 karma! |
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| 17:27:45 | <fireonlive> | 😵💫 |
| 17:27:49 | <fireonlive> | for what :o |
| 17:28:04 | <fireonlive> | oh the apple thing |
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| 17:46:30 | <fireonlive> | https://1999world.com/ got an ad for this, apparently it's a colab between "88rising" and microsoft. said powered by copilot? |
| 17:46:34 | <fireonlive> | kinda neat ig |
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| 18:12:41 | <nicolas17> | lost the "don't want to hear about LLMs for a whole day" challenge |
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| 18:21:40 | <fireonlive> | lmao |
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| 18:53:10 | <fireonlive> | !tell nicolas17 have something apple related instead https://youtu.be/reQq8fx4D0Q |
| 18:53:11 | <eggdrop> | [tell] ok, I'll tell nicolas17 when they join next |
| 18:59:49 | <kiska> | fireonlive: https://youtu.be/dNn6Yzcwpvw :D |
| 19:10:45 | <fireonlive> | :o |
| 19:22:47 | <fireonlive> | interesting how they're aging out; reminds me of japan kinda lol |
| 19:22:52 | <fireonlive> | not enough youngins |
| 19:23:07 | <kiska> | They wouldn't be if the pay was right :D |
| 19:23:38 | <fireonlive> | ye :D |
| 19:23:45 | <fireonlive> | better to just go work on cars lmao |
| 19:23:56 | <kiska> | Better to be a freight handler :D |
| 19:24:10 | <fireonlive> | :D |
| 19:24:35 | <kiska> | I have a co worker who's apprenticeship is about 12 hours of pay as a freight handler |
| 19:26:24 | <fireonlive> | o_o the whole thing? |
| 19:28:53 | <kiska> | I will select one of these https://server8.kiska.pw/uploads/4ece9c29a9e1064a/image.png |
| 19:29:13 | <kiska> | Any of the 240 |
| 19:29:18 | <kiska> | Which one do you want? |
| 19:30:10 | <fireonlive> | hmm |
| 19:30:25 | <fireonlive> | 4th year hydrocarbon |
| 19:30:45 | <thuban> | i like to think that an 'aged persons apprentice' is just a middle-aged person |
| 19:32:27 | <kiska> | Here is the result https://server8.kiska.pw/uploads/7e54a62b2968ab29/image.png |
| 19:32:48 | <kiska> | The weekly pay rate, I get that in 20 hours |
| 19:34:05 | <that_lurker> | "Not the pay rate you expected? Get help" :-P |
| 19:34:33 | <kiska> | This is if you are over 21 years old when the apprenticeship was started, if you finished high school(ie year 12) |
| 19:34:41 | <kiska> | :D |
| 19:35:54 | <kiska> | Here is the result if you didn't complete year 12 and you started apprenticeship < 21 years old https://server8.kiska.pw/uploads/9af3926356ddaae2/image.png |
| 19:38:01 | <steering> |  apprentice maintenance trade |
| 19:38:01 | <steering> |  apprentice maintenance worker |
| 19:38:04 | <kiska> | fireonlive: Here is 1st year as an adult apprentice https://server8.kiska.pw/uploads/2d016a343bac1a1d/image.png |
| 19:38:06 | <steering> |  maintenance apprentice |
| 19:38:10 | <steering> | what is the difference lol |
| 19:38:17 | <kiska> | No clue :D |
| 19:39:05 | <fireonlive> | 'penalty rate' eh |
| 19:39:16 | <fireonlive> | oof |
| 19:39:48 | <steering> | kinda wish we got bonuses like that here :D |
| 19:39:49 | <fireonlive> | what does maccas pay there xD |
| 19:40:17 | <kiska> | Maccas eh... |
| 19:40:25 | <kiska> | I think that is the fast food industry award |
| 19:40:50 | <steering> | i've had a job that gave me $0.25/hour for overnight work, and most only give 1.5x pay for holidays (and nothing for weekends) :( |
| 19:41:16 | <kiska> | fireonliveHere is your result https://server8.kiska.pw/uploads/879032bf3128a293/image.png |
| 19:41:26 | <kiska> | fireonlive: ^ |
| 19:42:00 | <that_lurker> | are those apprentices like some form of government paid stydying on the job for a possible postition in the company? |
| 19:42:11 | <kiska> | Nope :D |
| 19:43:31 | <steering> | as an american those would all be quite good wages for those positions, even converted to USD |
| 19:43:35 | <steering> | \o/ |
| 19:45:49 | <kiska> | that_lurker: https://www.seek.com.au/job/75920412 for this position the minimum pay that the company has to pay is listed here: https://server8.kiska.pw/uploads/0ec611d4437cd108/image.png |
| 19:46:31 | <kiska> | Of course they can pay more than award, but why would they :D |
| 19:46:37 | <that_lurker> | ahh ok |
| 19:46:47 | <fireonlive> | kiska: $30.91?! |
| 19:46:47 | <kiska> | steering: Even the latest one? |
| 19:47:04 | <steering> | kiska: ... yeah, probably |
| 19:47:51 | <kiska> | Here are the OT for that position since PACT didn't include for some reason https://server8.kiska.pw/uploads/7e58f8494697597d/image.png |
| 19:47:55 | <steering> | low-to-no experience working for the appliance store? yeah |
| 19:48:43 | <kiska> | steering: What about the comparison with working at maccas :D |
| 19:49:00 | <steering> | for comparison I make $41/hour as the sole IT employee for a 100 person company spread across 3 countries |
| 19:49:24 | <steering> | xP |
| 19:49:32 | <kiska> | I get paid $45.85 per hour as a freight handler :D |
| 19:49:33 | <steering> | (admittedly that's $61 aud) |
| 19:49:42 | <kiska> | $30.72 USD |
| 19:50:31 | <steering> | most I made at any other job (mostly tech support) was $18/hour |
| 19:50:57 | <steering> | (* that's 6 years ago now so pay has come up a bit from there but... yeah) |
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| 19:51:55 | <kiska> | So yeah... I get paid quite a bit for the profession I am currently doing :D |
| 19:52:08 | <steering> | i would die tbh |
| 19:52:18 | <steering> | so you should get paid well :P |
| 19:52:57 | <kiska> | I lost a lot of weight since I started there' |
| 19:53:26 | <kiska> | I went from 105KG down to 82KG in 3 years |
| 19:53:54 | <kiska> | Who knew being more active means more energy required which means weight loss! :D |
| 19:54:24 | <fireonlive> | you get paid to exercise! |
| 19:54:25 | <that_lurker> | Best form of exercise is the one you do because of work :-) |
| 19:54:59 | <kiska> | steering: Free gym! :D |
| 19:56:13 | <kiska> | I stumbled across this https://www.eecs.umich.edu/courses/eecs570/hw/phi_intro.pdf :D |
| 19:56:25 | <kiska> | I have 2x Xeon Phi 5110P |
| 19:58:03 | <that_lurker> | gotta love it when you stumble uppon a random pdf file and see that archiveteam_urls has grabbed it and most likely all the links in it :-) |
| 19:58:42 | <fireonlive> | :) agreed |
| 19:59:14 | <that_lurker> | arkiver++ |
| 19:59:15 | <eggdrop> | [karma] 'arkiver' now has 27 karma! |
| 20:01:16 | <that_lurker> | I had one pdf saved that had somewhat of a same premise on the optimization part, but for linux kernel compiling as an example. Never got to the buy a server part so no idea where that pdf is |
| 20:03:57 | <steering> | I sometimes feel like I shouldn't have gotten a car, then I'd still be in shape from biking everywhere |
| 20:04:04 | <steering> | not really an option where I used to live though |
| 20:08:55 | <kiska> | it is an option for me tho :D |
| 20:09:06 | <kiska> | Well... not if I get a second job |
| 20:16:02 | <kiska> | fireonlive: https://youtu.be/7SIiZWYo7HU?t=548 |
| 20:28:58 | <kiska> | More fun pdf's cause I have a Xeon Phi https://engineering.purdue.edu/~eigenman/ECE563/Handouts/intel-xeon-phi-systemsoftwaredevelopersguide.pdf |
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| 20:33:59 | <eggdrop> | [tell] nicolas17: [2024-05-18T18:53:10Z] <fireonlive> have something apple related instead https://youtu.be/reQq8fx4D0Q |
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